Great Lakes Ice - 6 Feb 2014

Record Ice on Lake Superior Could Lead to Cooler Summer

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“With no end in sight, the winter of 2014 rages on, ushering in frigid Arctic air and dumping record-breaking snow and ice on much of the nation,” says Kristen Rodman, Staff Writer. “This season, ice coverage on Lake Superior has exceeded other measurements in recent history.”

Great Lakes Ice - 6 Feb 2014
Great Lakes Ice – 6 Feb 2014

“By the long shot this is the most ice we’ve had on Lake Superior in 20 years,” said Jay Austin, Associate Professor at the Large Lakes Observatory in Duluth, Minnesota.

During a typical winter, 30 to 40 percent of the Great Lakes are covered by ice, according to AccuWeather Senior Meteorologist Brett Anderson. But this winter, 80 to 90 percent are covered in ice.

That ice coverage, specifically on Lake Superior, is raising concerns.

“With all of this ice, all the sunlight that hits the surface of the lake is going to get bounced back out into space, so it’s going to take longer to get warmer this spring and summer,” Austin said. “The lake is going to just start warming this year when it will start cooling off for next year.”

This could bring a relatively cool year for the communities surrounding the lake.

The process of the sunlight bouncing back into space is known as the albedo effect, derived from the Latin word albedo “whiteness” (or reflected sunlight).

So much for global warming.

Thanks to Martin, Clay Olson, Anthony Potter, Dean Koehler and Vern Peterman for this link

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50 thoughts on “Record Ice on Lake Superior Could Lead to Cooler Summer”

  1. The Weather Channel’s latest map of showing global temperatures for the month Jan. 2014, is in a word GARBAGE.

    if one goes to Dr. Spencer’s web-site one will see the true representations of temperatures as gathered from satellite data.

    Also Joe Bastardi has a graph posted on his web-site showing recent temperature trends. The trend is DOWN.

  2. I think that if the California blocking high is man made then naturally the East Coast will get cold and stormy…..while our politicians and the elite play god I worry that they forget the number one rule in nature…all energy balances itself out to the best of its abilities. …so if you make a super max typhoon with the energy of 5 or 6 normal hurricanes as hiyan was….you will have a below normal hurricane season somewhere else this time the Atlantic. …point being if you affect one part of the puzzle by adding or subtracting energy on one part of the globe isn’t it only natural nature would attempt to balance it in another location….Newton’s law of physics states an object will stay in motion until acted upon an equal and opposite force…if man is keeping the high in place then the jet will bring continued cold as misery to the East

  3. What if all that ice breaks loose and blocks the flow of water into the ocean? How much flooding will occur?

  4. Hello all,

    ‘ve no idea about Lake Ontario in location/surroundings terms but water becomes less dense as it cools down to 4oC so ice floats. That’s why ice bursts pipes, it gets less dense by expanding. For a given surface area it doesn’t matter how deep the water is, that under the ice will remain warmer until the ice is as thick as the water is deep.

    Regards Ant

  5. hey..anyone here got frozen or not info on the massive spreading lake somewhere up that way
    azzis/ agaziz?? or some similar sorta bane?
    last heard it was encroaching homes flooding towns and showed no sign of stopping.

  6. Dale,

    It has been warm in south eastern Oz only the east coast has been mild and now here in South Australia we have had about ten days straight below 25C (a cold snap) but you wont hear about that on the news


  7. Anyone started asking yet whether the HAARP facility in Alaska is being used by the CIA et al to cause this winter??

    Wouldn’t be very friendly if they were, would it??

    1. Rhys, I used to regard weather modification technology as “conspiracy theorist hokum”. Then I grew up. Recently, Jeff Rense had an article posting sat pics of that “stubborn high” off the Californian coast. My jaw dropped. Here you have near perfect squares and perpendicular rectangles that simply do not exist in nature. Jim Stone has an article about it on his site and he is correct, the California drought is “Elite”-made. The reservoirs for the Inland Empire should be near-capacity

      1. None of this detracts from Robert Felix’s works, Lady Nature is going to foul up their plans in the long run. The”Elite” idiots are simply jumpstarting the natural subtropical monsoons that turn the West into a subtropical/temperate Eden during a Glacial.

  8. “Avalanche hazard keeping Coquihalla closed overnight”

    “The Coquihalla Highway will remain closed overnight between Hope and Merritt after being hit by the largest avalanche in the road’s 27-year history.

    The Coquihalla corridor has seen almost three metres (9.8′) of snow over the last 10 days and the risk of further slides remains high, B.C. Transportation Minister Todd Stone said Friday.

    “This huge volume of snow is sitting on a weak layer, making it very unstable. The result has been slides on paths that have never before reached the highway,” Stone said in a statement.”

  9. Lake Ontario is much deeper so the mass of water that has to cool down is much greater, ergo no ice.
    roy h

  10. And yet, WeatherBug is prattling on about this past January being the 4th warmest January on record for the world since records have been kept, since around 1880. The southern hemisphere is supposedly extremely warm this cycle of summer not to mention all of the fires in Australia. NOAA reported that the earth was 1.17 degrees warmer this past January than the 20th century average. Only the years 2002, 2003, and 2007 have started warmer than 2014. Supposedly all of Africa, South America, Australia, and most of Asia and Europe were considerably warmer than normal. When I was younger I had a healthy respect for science, but I don’t know what to believe anymore. Here in southeast Texas, we have had a winter similar to the ones we had back when I was a kid in the 70’s. Much cooler than the last 20 years I’ve lived here since leaving the Navy, but still not as cold as I remember as a teenager. There was also a story about the decreasing icepack in the arctic and the Antarctic. I thought the Antarctic was supposed to be increasing in the amount of ice…

    1. I would rather be warm than cold and starving. You can grow food when its warm. I have noticed in the UK media more attention is being given to the Jet stream and its location, the penny may be dropping as to how the Sun powered Jet Streams forces or moderates the climate in a particular location.
      All it takes is a blocking high to become established between Iceland and Scandinavia and the UK spring will end up in the Fridge until May. Family weather history suggests that if it snows badly before the 22nd March the stuff can be lying around until the end of May. Such a blocking high would also warm up the US with South/Westerly’s rather than northerlies you have at the moment.

    2. Dale, you said the magic word..supposedly..
      fctually Antarctica HAS increased ice mass substantially and despite the bleating warmist shills in CSIRO BoM in aus it is NOT much hotter than summers were here,
      for a lot of us on the sth east coast the years been remarkably cool except for a brief couple of weeks high temps, and that/ came from inland desert air pushed over from a cyclone over the top of WA beforehand.
      its down to 10c at night again already and the tomatos and other crops arent even going to manage to ripen at this rate.

      1. Hi laurel,

        Could not dig up anything to solid on Agassiz for the time available.
        Did find a statement from U.S.G.S. that Devils Lake N.D. was still expanding as of 2012. Strange no solid data from the govt. on that either? Could find a solid contact in that region with more time(might do that).
        When I get some more time will see what the college up there has to say.

        See Ya

            1. Thanks,

              I knew that was there from the old site, but we are having trouble finding any concrete data post 2011?
              Found it interesting that U.S.G.S. has posted very few glacial pictures of N.D. glaciers since 2005.
              Thanks again sir.

  11. More snow and wind in Newfoundland and Labrador.


    Weather summary for Newfoundland and Labrador issued by Environment Canada at 12:00 P.M. NST Friday 21 February 2014.

    A low pressure system formed near Cape Cod on Wednesday evening and tracked across Eastern Newfoundland late Thursday. This system brought heavy snow to areas west of its track while
    Areas to its east saw a mixture of precipitation types. Strong winds developed in the wake of the low Thursday night.

    The following is a summary of weather event information received by Environment Canada.

    The following are unofficial snowfall amounts:

    Manned observation sites as of 11:30 AM NST today:
    Gander int’l’airport 30 cm (11.8″)
    Stephenville Airport 28 cm (11.0″)
    Deer Lake Airport 24 cm (9.4″)
    St. John’s int’l’airport 4 cm (1.6″)

    Unmanned observation sites as of 11:30 AM NST today:
    Terra Nova nat’l’park 24 cm (9.4″)
    Millertown 20 cm (7.9″)
    Corner Brook 19 cm (7.5″)
    Badger 15 cm (5.9″)
    Port aux Basques 10 cm (3.9″)

    * estimated based on water equivalent using a ratio of 1.15 Centimetres of snow to 1 millimetre of liquid precipitation.

    Cocorahs volunteer observing network sites:
    Point Leamington 42 cm (16.5″) (as of 7:00 AM today)
    Robinsons 30 cm (11.8″) (as of 8:50 AM today)
    Kippens 28 cm (11.0″) (as of 8:45 AM today)
    Pasadena 19 cm (7.5″) (as of 8:30 AM today)
    Sunnyside 16 cm (6.3″) (as of 7:30 AM today)
    Marystown 8 cm (3.1″) (as of 7:00 AM today)

    The following are maximum wind gusts as of 11:30 AM NST today:
    Cape Race 124 km/h (77.1 mph)
    Cape pine* 116 km/h (72.1 mph)
    St. John’s int’l’airport 107 km/h (66.5 mph)
    Fort Amherst* 98 km/h (60.9 mph)
    Sagona Island 96 km/h (59.7 mph)
    Twillingate 96 km/h (59.7 mph)
    Pool’s Island 94 km/h (58.4 mph)
    Blackhead Conception Bay N.* 93 km/h (57.8 mph)
    Gander int’l’airport 89 km/h (55.3 mph)
    Grates Cove 89 km/h (55.3 mph)

    * unofficial observing station.

    Please note that this summary may contain preliminary or unofficial information and does not constitute a complete or final report.


  12. Winter storm warnings for parts of northern Ontario. Possibly 55cm (21.7″) in total in some areas if I read this right.

    3:46 PM EST Friday 21 February 2014

    Winter storm warning for City of Thunder Bay, Geraldton – Manitouwadge – Hornepayne, Lake Nipigon – Wabakimi, Nipigon – Marathon – Superior North, Superior West and Wawa – White River – Pukaskwa regions

    Snowfall amounts up to 30 cm (11.8″) and blowing snow tapering off this evening.

    An intense winter storm brought as much as 25 cm (9.8″) already. As the storm continues to move north towards Eastern Hudson Bay the snow will continue to taper off in intensity with only a few more centimetres expected tonight.

    Dangerous winter driving conditions can still be expected. Visibility may be significantly reduced due to blowing snow.

    Travellers are urged to adjust or postpone their plans accordingly. If travel is necessary, check highway conditions and possible highway closures before departing.

  13. Large Lake Observatory did a study in 2007 found that summer surface water temperatures on Lake Superior have increased approximately 4.5°F (2.5°C) during the period 1979–2006.

    So they picked biggest ice year ever as the start, 1979, and the least ice year in a decade, 2006, as the end point.

    Now Superior is iced over.

    Who did the study? Jay Austin, the story quotes above.

    Here’s a cheaper, quicker study: Lake temperatures have decreased by at least 2.6 deg C since 2006. QED

    1. More hedonistic adjustments to the empirical data. Funny thing is empirical data doesn’t pay attention to smoothing factors, window sizes,offsets, etc..
      Time to trade in that car for a snowmobile. Lets see if we are thawed by August. I’m doubting it.

  14. There is also what I call The Heatsink Effect.
    Basically, such a large cold mass can suck a lot of heat out of the system. It wouls take a lot of energy from the sun just to begin restoring the balance.
    If it not restored by the middle of the summer, then all that can be done is to pray for the winter Britan had this year…

    1. please be careful of what you wish for: record storms, record rainfall levels, record flood events and up here in Scotland record snow depths in the Highlands–and it ain’t done yet.

  15. The larger question has to do with the amount of evaporation from the Great Lakes as a whole rather than surrounding communities’ summertime temperatures. From an economic impact, colder water is just what the area needs to mitigate regional “global warming” doom-and-gloom. This will allow for higher lake levels and greater efficiencies of maritime shipping activity.

    All in all, this is a very positive thing indeed.

    1. The problems with lake levels is not so much due to evaporation, but rather the dredging or overdredging of the St. Clair river which has allowed more water to flow out of the great lakes than before the dredging took place. All for the purpose of accommodating larger cargo ships. What they should have done was build a lock and dam system instead of dredge.

    1. @ Bob – Ontario is the 2nd deepest lake from the 5 Great Lakes, second only to Superior, and also has the lowest elevation. This causes the lake to remain mostly ice free even with this kind of winter.

    2. Eh Bob,did some research because I also wondered bigtime as to how Lake Ontario was so icefree…these are my opinions from the facts I gathered.Apparently the st lawrence faultline includes lake ont.Scans of the bottom of lake ont searching for downed aircraft revealed 3 previously undocumented features as a result of techtonic activity due to a faultline.More work revealed faulting in south east part of lake o..thermal heat ?Heres more,power generating stations.Pickering Ont,kintigh station waste heat is dumped into lake O,warm water plumes are visible on satellite images.Plants smokestacks can be seen 100kms away from Canadian side.So we have evidence of many power plants adding thermal heat from Ontario and New York state into the water.These are possibilties and common sense would suggest its impossible for lake Ontario to be so icefree compared with the brutal cold here in the northeast.

    3. Because it is the deapest of the lakes – it takes the most time to cool down. Because of the depth there is quite a bit more water there than one would think.

    4. Due to the fact is avg depth is 283ft and at it’s deepest point it is over 800ft deep. It is the smallest of the Great Lakes but has more water in it than Lake Erie. It is very hard to cool down that much water that deep in order for it to freeze over.

      1. Lake Ontario is utilized by Ontario and New York state with combined populations of 13 million and 19 million people and most likely more with smaller states…needing huge amounts of electricity.These nuclear and coal fired plants produce awesome amounts of warm water outflows into the lake…large river volumes of very warm water,felt the bath water myself while boating.Also I mentioned there maybe underwater thermals techtonics,eastside of the lake,discovered accidently…read an article from waterloo university ontario stating this! Think outside the box…surprised noone knows anymore info.Yes lake O is deep but superior is deeper and the low temps were similar to that of the lake O region…shouldnt lake O be covered by at least 8 or 9 inches of ice,like 1 third of the 2 foot thick ice on superior? Comeon now folks we need more answers…this is more like a conspiracy going on here.

  16. Yeah on the albedo effect – I’m in southern Ontario and our Weather Channel just said today that the high temperatures they forecast didn’t get so high because of too much snow on the ground cooling the air. These expert meteorologists under-estimated the albedo of all the snow on the ground.

    1. I just saw an article on AccuWeather saying that NOAA is claiming the earth just had the 4th warmest January on record.

      1. Yes, The weather channel also just put out a junk Video from the NOAA. Its garbage. I don’t buy it since the NOAA and NASA lied about historical temps to support global warming.

        Look at that map they have. So the north and south poles aren’t part of the globe? The coldest temp ever recorded EVER was in Jan. Yet its not part of the global data? The warm spots on the map just also happen to have erupting volcanoes. I think the forgot when you take a temp next to lava it might not be good Data.

        Junk Data goes into the computer Junk Data comes out of the computer. The main problem we face.

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